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		<title>Jackson Hewitt &#8211; To Be or Not to Be?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vitaliy Katsenelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[DENVER (MarketWatch) &#8212; The certainty that we have to file a tax return every year, that the number of tax returns is rising, tax preparation is getting more complex and thus despite availability of tax preparation software more and more people outsource their tax preparation peaked my interest in Jackson Hewitt. Well, of course, if [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DENVER (MarketWatch) &#8212; The certainty that we have to file a tax return every year, that the number of tax returns is rising, tax preparation is getting more complex and thus despite availability of tax preparation software more and more people outsource their tax preparation peaked my interest in Jackson Hewitt.</p>
<p>Well, of course, if flat-tax Ron Paul becomes president he&#8217;d pull a rug out from under the tax preparation industry. But let&#8217;s be real, a complex tax system is here to stay as it brings too many carrots and sticks which politicians will not part in a million years.<span id="more-267"></span></p>
<p>However, when Jackson Hewitt (JTX) reported its quarterly results in March the certainty was not certain anymore. Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s revenues were down 15%, street expectations were missed, and the stock took a dive. How could this happen?</p>
<p>Several factors were responsible for this dismal performance:</p>
<p><strong>Late filers</strong><br />
Number one and the most important one, there was a shift of filing taxes towards the later part of the season.  Remember the third quarter (JTX has an April fiscal year) covers only one month of the tax season &#8212; January. According to IRS&#8217;s website that tracks returns filed by &#8216;Home Computers&#8217; and &#8216;Practitioners,&#8217; returns that were filed in the first four weeks of the tax season were down in double digits over last year.</p>
<p>Only in the week ending February 23, 2008 did the number of returns start to rise. What does this mean? People are filing their taxes later. Due to population growth more people will file taxes with IRS by April 15th than did last year, but a greater portion will procrastinate till a later date.<br />
Not surprisingly, according to Jackson Hewitt management they saw much improved trends in February. Trends are likely to improve in March and April. If late filing was the only problem than we&#8217;d be home free.</p>
<p><strong>Early season woes</strong><br />
In 2005 Jackson Hewitt introduced a first in the industry a holiday season loan. In late December early January customers were able to borrow several hundred dollars till they got a refund in late January early February. This financial product written by Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s partners never really made much money for Jackson Hewitt but it was a great marketing, client retention tool and resulted in great sales growth in 2006. The following year competition came up with a similar product, holidays loans became a staple across industry.</p>
<p>In 2008, banks stopped offering holiday loans, major competitors followed and so did Jackson Hewitt. H&amp;R Block (HRB) had a small preseason product available. This is why it has fared better, though still had decline in traffic. In early January, customers who wanted to get their money sooner who used to use holiday loans went to mom and pop tax preparers and filed their tax returns electronically with paystubs instead of a legally required W2 form. Unfortunately, these customers are lost to Jackson Hewitt, at least this year. On the conference call, Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s management said that they&#8217;ll have a preseason product next year.<br />
 <br style="font-weight: bold" /><strong>Bad PR</strong><br />
Last year offices of Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s franchisees were raided by the Justice Department. Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s franchisees were accused of falsifying tax forms. Jackson Hewitt settled with the Justice Department, bought out a franchisee and moved on. The impact on the brand should have been limited and had been, it has not really spread beyond local markets.</p>
<p>Management conducted a survey this summer and found that very few (especially outside of those states where the investigations took place) remembered the incident. However, a slow news cycle in January 2008 (almost nine months later) brought the incident back into the spotlight, shaving a couple percentage points of growth for Jackson Hewitt in 2008.</p>
<p>Is the JTX growth story over? The preseason product issue is less likely be an issue next year, the company is unlikely to make the same mistake twice. Price per tax return is still rising in mid single digits, 4-6% a year. The company, dissatisfied with the pace of growth in new territories, announced that it will take an initiative on itself to open more new offices, though it may sell them off to franchisees later.</p>
<p>Fortunately, it doesn&#8217;t cost much to open an office, about $25,000 to $35,000. Even if Jackson Hewitt decided to open 500 company-owned offices, for instance, it would run a company about $12-17 million, leaving still plenty of cash for share buybacks, especially at today&#8217;s prices &#8212; it bought 10% of its shares in 2007 &#8212; and dividends (current yield is 5%).</p>
<p>I put little faith in same-store sales rising at this point as I have not seen positive same store sales for a second year in a row. Margin expansion though is still not off the table but since it is to be driven by operational leverage, will depend on the level of sales growth.</p>
<p>Sales will be flat or slightly negative for the year. Instead of earning $2.08 this year as the street expected, earnings will be around $1.50 to $1.60. This year is not showing the true earnings power of the company, its earnings power is north of $2 once profit margins are normalized. I am not sure that Jackson Hewitt is worth as much as I expected it to be worth awhile back, I&#8217;ll cross that bridge when I get there. But in my estimates the stock is still worth at least $30.</p>
<p>Vitaliy Katsenelson, CFA is a portfolio manager at Investment Management Associates. His book &#8220;Active Value Investing&#8221; was recently published by John Wiley &amp; Sons.</p>
<p>Position: Jackson Hewitt</p>
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		<title>BusinessWeek Video Interview</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vitaliy Katsenelson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2n6qwa"></a>I talked to Jim Ellis at BusinessWeek about my book Active Value Investing (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2n6qwa">here is a link</a> to the video).  As you will see, if you tie my hand I&#8217;d go mute.   At about the same time I talked to TheStreet.com (<a href="http://www.thestreet.com/video/index.html?clipId=1373_10386917&amp;channel=Market+Strategy&amp;cm_ven=YAHOO&amp;cm_cat=&amp;cm_ite=">here is a link</a> to the video) about Apple (AAPL) and Jackson Hewitt (JTX).   It was taped right next Wall Street in October 2007.</p>
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		<title>Dragged Down by IRS and IRS is Your Friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vitaliy Katsenelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: right">The avoidance of taxes is the only pursuit that still carries any reward.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal"> Jackson Hewitt (JTX) declined significantly yesterday on news the IRS proposed regulation to ban refund anticipation loans, or RALs. Fear of the impact the new rules could have on JTX's business drove it and H&#38;R Block (HRB) down, although HRB faired better as it had already been beaten down by company specific issues stemming from its subprime mortgage business.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal">RALs are originated to customers who don&#8217;t want to wait a couple of weeks to get their tax refund from the IRS, and thus are willing to pay a 2-2.5% (capped at $95) fee to get their money right away. Though RALs are as controversial as payday loans that charge annualized triple digit interest rates, this is not the reason why the IRS is zeroing in them. After all, the IRS mandate is to collect taxes, not to legislate morality.  </p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;"><em>The avoidance of taxes is the only pursuit that still carries any reward.</em></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;">- John Maynard Keynes </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;"> Jackson Hewitt (JTX) declined significantly yesterday on news the IRS proposed regulation to ban refund anticipation loans, or RALs. Fear of the impact the new rules could have on JTX&#8217;s business drove it and H&amp;R Block (HRB) down, although HRB faired better as it had already been beaten down by company specific issues stemming from its subprime mortgage business. <span id="more-255"></span>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;">RALs are originated to customers who don’t want to wait a couple of weeks to get their tax refund from the IRS, and thus are willing to pay a 2-2.5% (capped at $95) fee to get their money right away. Though RALs are as controversial as payday loans that charge annualized triple digit interest rates, this is not the reason why the IRS is zeroing in them. After all, the IRS mandate is to collect taxes, not to legislate morality.   </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;">The IRS is concerned that RALs create an incentive for a tax preparer to prepare a return that results in a refund, since if there is no refund there is no RAL.  Although RALs account for only about 25% of JTX’s revenues, they carry a very high profit margin thus if taken away could wipe out 35-50% of the company’s earnings.  </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;">Although it may appear that the IRS could simply disallow RALs, it is not that simple. Even in its own press release the IRS said the following (bold is mine):</p>
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<dd>“The final rules affirm a general rule in place for more than three decades that taxpayers, not the IRS, control their own tax return information held by preparers and, within appropriate limits and safeguards, taxpayers are able to direct preparers to disclose tax return information as taxpayers see fit. More than 60 percent of individual taxpayers use a preparer.”</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is very difficult to prohibit consumers from providing their tax information to lending institutions or using future tax refund as collateral against which to borrow – it is the taxpayers’ money after all. Remember, we use our tax information on a constant basis when we get almost any type credit.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Pacific Capital Bancorp (PCBC), one of JTX&#8217;s partners that underwrites RALs originated by JTX said the following in its press release (bold is mine):</p>
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<dd> “Following discussions with the IRS and other industry participants, the Company believes that the Treasury Department and IRS are not considering the elimination or ban of RALs or similar products, but are considering changes in the manner in which RALs are offered to taxpayers.” </dd>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; text-align: justify;">The IRS’s objective is to lessen the incentive for tax preparers to commit fraud, but I think they understand that getting rid of incentives completely is impractical. JTX&#8217;s franchise operation accounts for 90% of its revenues, franchisees don’t see a dime from RALs and JTX’s financial partners (PCBC and HSBC) pay the company a flat fee. The same is true for HRB, which in its press release said the following:</p>
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<dd>“H&amp;R Block’s tax professionals are not compensated on the sale of ancillary products, so there is no incentive for them other than serving taxpayers’ best interests. In addition, RALs are currently regulated by 10 federal laws and IRS rules.” </dd>
<dt>It will take awhile for uncertainty around RALs to be resolved. The IRS is soliciting comments on the proposal until April 2008. The regulation is not likely to come out until November and probably won’t take effect until 2009 tax season. There is a good chance that the IRS may pressure tax preparers to provide a flat fee product where the fee doesn’t vary much by the size of the tax refundIRS is Your Friend</dt>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"> <strong>Word from the IRS &#8230; &#8220;We are here to help!&#8221;</strong> </p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I don’t know many people who&#8217;d be happy to get a phone call from the IRS. I did not think I’d count myself as one either. But right after I wrote above article about refund anticipation loans (RAL), I got a return call from the IRS’s office of Procedure and Administration, the entity that released the ‘Advance notice of proposed rulemaking’. Yes, the one that sent Jackson Hewitt&#8217;s (JTX) stock down yesterday.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">From the conversation, I gathered the IRS has no intention to ban RALs. It is doing a study, soliciting comments from interested (and disinterested) parties. The IRS doesn’t even know (at least doesn’t have a formal study showing) that there is a causation between RALs and higher fraud. The IRS doesn’t even know the route this proposal for solicitation of opinion will take.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It may die after comments are received, in fact many of these studies do.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It may decide that it doesn’t really fall under its jurisdiction and send it to Congress. Though Congress may decide to go after RALs, it is very unlikely. RALs are usually lumped into the same category as payday loans – both have very high interest rates once you annualize their fees. However, there is a one huge difference. Payday loans get rolled over and customers end up paying fees double or triple the amount they’ve borrowed. RALs are a onetime deal, 2-2.5% fee is it until next year. It is not rolled over and in reality it is not much different from what the bank charges us for a bounced check or overdraft.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Finally, the IRS may find out that RALs need to be regulated more. I believe from all outcomes this is the most probable and the worst possible one, but really a non-event as seen from H&amp;R Block&#8217;s (HRB) press release which says, “RALs are currently regulated by 10 federal laws and IRS rules”. Tax preparation is a very fragmented industry, JTX and HRB account for only 25% of market, where little mom and pop shops will carry the bulk of the burden if RALs are banned. The big guys like JTX or HRB may actually benefit from that (on the margin) as additional regulation may become a burden for the little mom and pop operators.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Yesterday’s stock market reaction was a wakeup call to the IRS that its perceived actions (ban of RALs) may have tremendous consequences that will also result in lost jobs – that is not its intention. As I said it before and will say again (by the way, the IRS representative agreed with me on that point), the IRS’s job is not to legislate morality or to decide what is the “right” interest rate, its job is to collect tax revenues.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As a side note: I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the courtesy, promptness and openness of the IRS official with whom I had the pleasure to talk.</p>
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		<title>Interview With Vitaliy Katsenelson by Philip Durell and Bill Mann</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vitaliy Katsenelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In October, I had a great pleasure to be interviewed by two of my favorite Motley Fools: Philip Durell advisor to Motley Fool Inside Value newsletter and Bill Mann co-advisor to Motley Fool Hidden Gems newsletter. In this in depth interview I discuss everything: economy, stocks I like, international investing, practical application of QVG framework, absolute P/E model and of course my book - Active Value Investing: Making Money in Range-Bound Markets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">In October, I had a great pleasure to be interviewed by two of my favorite Motley Fools: Philip Durell advisor to <a href="http://www.fool.com/shop/newsletters/14/index.htm?source=eivotlnk8250001" target="_blank">Motley Fool Inside Value</a> newsletter and Bill Mann co-advisor to <a href="http://www.fool.com/shop/newsletters/04/index.htm?source=help" target="_blank">Motley Fool </a><a href="http://www.fool.com/shop/newsletters/04/index.htm?source=help" target="_blank">Hidden Gems</a> newsletter. In this in depth interview I discuss everything: economy, stocks I like, international investing, practical application of QVG framework, absolute P/E model and of course my book.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">By Philip Durell and Bill Mann</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">November 14, 2007</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Bill Mann: Vitaliy Katsenelson is one of my absolute favorite investment thinkers. He and I have swapped ideas for several years now. His new book, Active Value Investing is brilliant.<br />
Vitaliy Katsenelson: (Laughs.) Thank you.<br />
BM: It seems to me that a very good alternate title would have been When and How to Sell.
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<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: (Laughs.) Well the thing is, if you are in the range-bound markets, which I think we are, then the selling discipline become extremely important. Over the last 200 years and especially the last 100 years, every time we had a full-blown bull market, similar to the one we had from 1982 to 2000, it was followed by a range-bound market, defined as a market that is going up and down, but not really going anywhere. We seem to think about markets in binary terms, bull or bear, but, in reality, we&#8217;ve only had one bear market: The Great Depression. All the other markets were range-bound.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The reason range-bound markets happen is very simple. When you have a full-blown bull market, stock prices and stock price-to-earnings ratios get to extremely high levels. Range-bound markets are like the clean-up guys. They come in and, by deflating the P/E of stocks, they clean up the mess that was caused by bull markets. The P/Es are going down gradually and the earnings are growing and they kind of cancel out each other.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It has happened so consistently that there is a very high probability that we are in one of those markets, therefore, you should invest accordingly. So in the first part of the book, I make the case for range-bound markets and, [in] the second part of the book, I provide a strategy for investing in those markets.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Philip Durell: Can I interject here, Vitaliy? I can&#8217;t see exactly why your strategy wouldn&#8217;t work in a bull or a bear market. Why only range-bound markets? I can understand that selling might be more important in a range-bound market, but overall I think your strategy is good for any market.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Philip, you are absolutely right, but let me put it this way: I know the strategy that doesn&#8217;t work is the one a lot of value investors use in bull markets. Bull markets basically teach us to be buy-and-hold investors. You buy with a discipline and selling is not as important because stock prices begin cheap and fairly cheap, go to fairly valued, overvalued, tremendously overvalued, and then Hubble telescope-kind of overvalued. So selling is not as important.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The strategy I am describing in my book is what would work in any market, there is no question about it, but it is specifically geared for the range-bound market for a few reasons. One is the selling element and the other one, which we shall get to in a second, is the value traps that you might step into. But you are right; this strategy should work in any market.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: In your presentations, you give a very nice, concise example of what actually happens to P/Es, earnings growth, and prices during bull, bear, and range-bound markets.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Oh sure. We tend to think that stock market cycles are caused because of low economic growth or high inflation, etc.; that has not been the case. I looked at the past 100 years, and economic performance in range-bound markets or bull markets was extremely similar. In fact, in the book, I put up two tables and asked the reader to choose and tell me which ones were the bull markets and which ones were the range-bound markets. Truth is, you can&#8217;t really tell. So we know the market cycles were not caused by inflation, they were not caused by interest rates, and they were not caused by economic growth. In fact, real GDP growth has been one of the most consistent economic statistics throughout the past 100 years. It has been growing about 3.5%. So what have really caused those range-bound markets were the high starting valuations that gradually contracted.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So look at it this way: If you have a high valuation and good economic growth, you can have a range-bound market. If you have high valuations and bad economic growth, you have bear markets. If you have low valuations and just OK or average economic growth, you have got bull markets. So that is basically as simple as it gets.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Well Vitaliy, let me challenge you to define your terms. One of the real reasons that many investors thought that homebuilders were still cheap at the beginning of last year is because they were trading at P/Es of six, seven, and eight. So from an earnings basis, it would be easy to look at them and say &#8220;these are not expensive stocks,&#8221; and yet they have now lost 60%, 70%, and 80% of their value and are trading at very high P/Es or trading at no P/E at all.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Actually Bill, you are making another point; you are making a perfect comparison. When measuring price to earnings, you know the price, right? That&#8217;s straightforward. The problem is what the earnings are. Currently, corporate profit margins are at a 20-year high, so when you look at the P/E of the whole stock market, it looks very cheap. The only problem is the corporate margins are very high and, therefore, the earnings are overstated.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: So you mean that corporate gross margins are at their highest point in the past 20 years.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: That&#8217;s right. At some point, profit margins will revert to the mean, and usually mean reversion means they go below the mean, then the corporate profits either stop growing or they will decline. So you just described homebuilders, [so] probably the economic growth is going to be less dramatic than homebuilder&#8217;s earnings, but they [are] either stagnate or they decline.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: So what is it that you suggest that investors do here in late 2007?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: The second part of the book outlines how you can make money. So when I talk about analysis, I introduced this framework, which I call QVG &#8212; Quality, Valuation, and Growth. It&#8217;s basically a way to look at the stock that helps to clarify our analysis. When I look at quality, I&#8217;m talking about competitive advantage, strong balance sheets, recurring earnings, good management, significant free cash flow, and high return on equity. Obviously, I go into greater depth in my book, but quality is critical in range-bound markets.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When I consider growth, I&#8217;m looking for growth of earnings/cash flow. Not necessarily very high growth but consistent growth. When I talk about valuation, I am talking about how to value a company using different valuation tools. What I found is that 90% of the returns in the range-bound market came from dividends. If you compare this to bull markets, only 19% of total return came from dividends. So dividends become extremely important in range-bound markets for a couple of reasons. First of all, they create a floor under the stock price. When a company pays high dividends, the stock goes down, yield goes up. The stock, thus, attracts more investors, [and] it goes up. Also, a company that pays high dividends doesn&#8217;t really have to do much in earnings growth to provide you nice total returns. So that is another reason why dividends are important.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">On valuation &#8212; and this is the dimension that requires the most amount of work in the range-bound markets &#8212; you have to make the most adjustments. First of all, don&#8217;t step into relative valuation trap. I will give you an example: Wal-Mart at the end of the last bull market. Wal-Mart traded at a P/E of 45. You guys will agree that that was too expensive. But it looked cheap if you just looked at the relative valuation analysis, it looked cheap when it was traded at 40, 35, 30, 25, 20 times earnings.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: When you say &#8220;relative,&#8221; you are comparing it to say Home Depot or you are comparing it to its own historical valuation?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Oh no, just with past valuation.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Oh, OK. You are framing this argument to assume that when a company that used to trade at X P/E and now it&#8217;s at X divided by two P/E, therefore, is cheap.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Exactly, yeah.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Which is a horrible argument.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: I picked up on your idea that in range-bound markets quality is very important. But it is also true that a lot of the quality companies go up in price as soon as people feel that there is a problem in the market. For example, everyone starts buying Berkshire Hathaway, which is probably a very good thing, but then obviously a lot of those quality companies themselves actually get more expensive because a lot of people think &#8220;Oh, I had better buy quality.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: I hate to use growth and value analogies, but it is in the extremes that it makes sense. Suring the &#8217;66 to &#8217;82 range-bound market P/Es for growth stocks &#8212; high P/E stocks &#8212; contracted at a very fast rate, and P/Es of cheap stocks either stayed the same or increased.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Value investing beats growth investing during the range-bound markets hands down because the P/Es of high-growth stocks contract at a much faster rate, negating the benefits of high growth. The 2000 to 2002 Nasdaq market crash was proof of that.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: Now you were just saying that you don&#8217;t like growth in range-bound markets, perhaps you could explain to us what you mean by growth in your framework?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: First of all, I want to just define this. When I say &#8220;growth stock,&#8221; I assume it is also a high valuation stock. That is a very important clarification because I think growth in general, which is basically growing earnings and cash flows and dividends, are extremely important in any market, so I don&#8217;t want to dismiss.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As I invest, I want to find companies that grow in earnings, but I want to make sure that a good chunk of the growth is recurring in a sense that it comes from where they have a high recurrence of revenues. Because that makes the growth more stable, which goes back to quality as well.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Also absolute valuation tools like discounted cash flow analysis are a lot more important in range-bound markets than in bull markets because you are less likely to lose money using absolute valuations tools and discounted cash flow analyses. I also use other frameworks like absolute P/E analysis. I am not sure how much you wanted to go into that, so you tell me how much you want to hear about that.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: You could just perhaps describe what you mean by absolute P/E.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: In my book, I outlined a framework that helps figure out the correct P/E for a company. It is partly a quantitative framework, but it is actually a lot more qualitative because data inputs that I ask you to contribute are extremely qualitative like expected growth rate, business risk, financial risk, and earnings predictability. The latter is based on how far forward you feel comfortable projecting super-normal growth rates. My framework may be more useful to new investors.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In range bound markets, you should also increase your margin of safety in setting you buy price (margin of safety = percent below valuation of the stock). We talk about the analytics and the knowledge that requires as a strategy. This is why Bill thinks my book could also be titled How to Sell.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In range bound markets, the buy-and-hold approach to investing is not the best way to make money. I am not saying you should be a day trader, not at all, but you need to figure out at what valuation you want to part with the stock at the time that you buy it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: I have a very simple way of describing that when people ask me because they believe that I am a buy-and-hold-only investor. I say, &#8220;No, no, no, you don&#8217;t understand. Every single one of my stocks is for sale every single day, just give me the right price.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Exactly. Bringing the QVG framework into this, when you have a quality company and growing earnings, you have got a good company. When you have got a valuation part to it, you have got a good stock. So if the valuation gets very expensive, you still have got a good company, it is just not a good stock anymore. That is when you sell it.<br />
You want to make as few marginal decisions as possible. You don&#8217;t want to lose money in the range-bound markets because it is so difficult to make it back. The selling discipline is extremely important. You should be a willing seller. You are right. Every stock is for sale at the right price.
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<p style="text-align: justify;">On example in my book is Jackson Hewitt, the tax preparation company. It only becomes valuable as a brand over time because it puts 6% of its revenues into advertising every single year. Actually, I have been very impressed with management. This is a company that declined from $35 or $37 to $27 because officers at one of its franchisees were doing some illegal stuff, falsifying W-2 forms, allegedly.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The good thing is that happened only at the franchisee level. Three days after this happened, management already hired an ex-IRS commissioner to do an internal investigation. They found nothing at the corporate level, which you kind of expect because management has absolutely no incentive for doing this stuff. Four or five months after that, they already settled with the SEC and basically they admitted no wrongdoing and they paid a $1.5 million fine just to make this issue go away.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Still, the stock remains down 30%. Every year, they consistently increase dividends or buy back stock. They built an incredible company because they are growing earnings 20%, 30% a year for the past three, four years. Very impressive. The balance sheet has some debt, but they basically could pay off their debt in less than two years from their free cash flows. It is a very stable business and it is counter-cyclical. You can sense when the time it goes down, more people are going to come to their offices to do their taxes because they want a refund sooner.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">They have a high incremental return on capital, because most of the growth comes from franchisees, which actually pay them to be a franchisee, so their return on capital is incredible. It scores very high scores in quality.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">They have five or six different engines of growth and what I like about this, even if one growth engine fails, the other ones will pick it up. They are opening about 10% of new stores a year. There is inflation in this industry, which is ranging between 5% and 8%. Last year, I think it was 7%. They are buying back 5% to 6% of their stock a year, so that is another engine of growth. A lot of their stores, more than half of their stores, are less than five years old. Therefore, there is a built-in same store sales growth as their stores mature. There is still room for margin expansion and there was a 2% dividend, so even if one of the engines fail or two, they can still deliver earnings between 15% to 25% a year, so there is a fairly wide range.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is a company that is trading basically at 12, 13 times earnings; traded nine times free cash flows and I find my value of the stock is around $50 to $70, so it is a cheap stock. If you get a P/E expansion, you get another 50% upside right there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: I think it is pretty easy to identify what kind of market we are in hindsight. I remember back to 2003 and shamefacedly, I will admit I was one of these people who felt like the world was going to end. Everyone was hording cash, and yet it&#8217;s four years later and everything has gone well. How do you know or how do project what kind of market we are in?<br />
VK: You don&#8217;t. You want to price your stocks, not time them. You are trying to find high-quality companies that are growing earnings and you want to buy them cheap. You want to keep doing it over and over again. Because you really don&#8217;t know what market you are in. Timing the market I found to be a very fruitless exercise because it is only apparent, as you said, in hindsight.
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<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Really to me one of the more interesting things is the thought that international markets don&#8217;t necessarily correlate with one another. So even if you are in a market that is moving sideways here, there is a bull market somewhere.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Bill, there is no question about it. And also, our perception is that when you invest internationally it is usually more risky. If you go to invest in Tajikistan or some little country in Africa, yes, you are increasing risk, but there are so many other countries that are developed and they have rule of law, so when you invest there, you are actually reducing risk. One of the stocks that I really like, and I know Philip likes it as well, is Lloyds TSB. When I was looking to buy banks in the U.S. and I could find just a handful that I liked, I bought Lloyds instead.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: It is from the Banana Republic of the United Kingdom. (Laughter.)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: From the perspective of my portfolio, what I just did is I added a high dividend stock that is growing earnings. Lloyd&#8217;s is actually one of only two AAA rated banks in the world that are not government backed and basically I didn&#8217;t increase the risk of my portfolio, I actually lowered it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: It is a currency hedge if nothing else.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Exactly and especially if the dollar is declining, the 6.5% dividend is becoming a 7.5% dividend. This is beautiful. There is definitely a case for international investing just because it raises incremental opportunity cost in your portfolio.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: I think that is a really good example because I can remember Lloyds as one of my earlier picks in Inside Value and I picked it at the time mostly because it was just coming around, the turnaround, with excellent management and it has pretty much gone that way. But the bonus, and we did mention it, is the fact that it was an international investment and I think I valued it originally and the exchange rate was 1.7, OK? So for one U.S. dollar, you got 1.7 pounds sterling. Of course now, the exchange rate is 2 or 2.01 actually. So that is a very good example of why you would invest some of your money overseas.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: And also it paid a 6% dividend and earnings were growing 8% or 10%?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: Actually when I picked it, it was at 8% dividend yield.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: That is right. So you were looking at an incredible total return, just from earnings to dividends, it was just right there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Yeah, well I think it is an important thing to note and it gets back to what I was asking about trying to predict whether you are in a range-bound market or not. With Global Gains, I focus a lot on international investing. I don&#8217;t necessarily treat the dollar&#8217;s decline or rise as something that I consider to be predictable, but it is a hedge. If a hedge goes the wrong way and you are picking a good company and you are getting it at a good price, that is OK, but if it goes the right way, it is a lit match to your returns. And you can&#8217;t capture it if you are only focusing on U.S. based stocks.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Absolutely. Another thing is, I am not a big believer in diversification in the traditional sense.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: I don&#8217;t think any of us are.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: No, I am not.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Exactly, and you can argue that maybe the benefits of international diversification probably decreased over the years is because we are so much more interrelated, but so what. If you look overseas, you can find more attractive opportunities. I think that is more important than the benefits of diversification.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: I think, in the U.S., we&#8217;re probably more privileged than anyone else just by virtue of the size and the depth of our markets and the breadth of the companies we can invest in, it limits you from a whole lot of different opportunities.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Actually Bill, there is another point I want to make there. In bull markets, cash is the enemy just because even if you just throw money at stocks, you will do fine, right? In the range-bound markets, stock selection matters a lot. Therefore, opportunity cost of bonds is a lot lower because the returns between stocks and bonds are not that much different. So what you want to make sure that, as I said before, you don&#8217;t make incremental kind of bad marginal decisions. You are buying it for the sake of being invested and one nice thing about international investing, it is going to lower you cash position, because you are probably going to find more opportunities if you look in the bigger pond.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: There is another point to international investing is that I think people sometimes lose sight of the value of some of the multi-nationals. I often say that is not really important where the headquarters is. If 60% of your production is in China and 70% of your sales are outside of the U.S., are you really a U.S. company or are you an international company?<br />
BM: And I am looking at page 203 in the book where you had the subtitle, &#8220;Location of Corporate Headquarters Abroad May Not Constitute a Foreign Company.&#8221;<br />
VK: That&#8217;s right. It is like saying that Nokia is a Finnish company. Yes, it is headquartered in Finland, but I think, I don&#8217;t know the number, but maybe 2% of its sales come from Finland. You can say it is a Chinese company for that matter, because that is where the growth is.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: So Vitaliy, I know that we have got a little while left and I know that you have probably got a couple of other companies that our subscribers would like to hear you talk about.<br />
VK: Sure. One of the stocks is a REIT. The REITs had a huge run and then they declined, but this REIT did not really have a huge run. It is HRPT Properties. It has a yield of 8.6% and the best part is it trades at book value. I usually don&#8217;t pay attention to the book value, but in this case, this book value is assets, real assets. I would argue that the office buildings that it bought over the last ten years are worth a lot more than its accounting value, so there is a hidden asset right there.
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<p style="text-align: justify;">It has an OK management. I am not crazy about the management. It hasn&#8217;t destroyed a lot of value because it hasn&#8217;t made stupid acquisitions. The problem is, they haven&#8217;t done a good job growing the company, but the way I look at it, I have a very nice yield and I have a very high-quality REIT because interest coverage is great, the dividend is well covered, and leases are about seven years long. So it is a very conservative REIT, very nice yield, 8.6%. I feel comfortable holding this.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another one, and I know you guys both like is First Marblehead. This stock trades at what, eight, nine times earnings? It has a phenomenal growth rate ahead of it and I think the investors still put it into the subprime mortgage category, even thought the average FICO score of its portfolio is 714, which is very high; 83% of it loans co-signed.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The part that I love about it [is] this whole speculation about major customers JPMorgan and Bank of America going away [and] you can quantify that easily. You can figure out what impact it would have on the portfolio if both Bank of America and JPMorgan dropped First Marblehead and actually I figured it out and kind of my worst case, a year after JPMorgan dropped; if JPMorgan and Bank of America leave First Marblehead, its revenues would be up 20% or 30% over where they are today. So my downside is basically none.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">You could argue that the margins may become compressed, but that the JPMorgan and Bank of America business is growing so fast that it should overcompensate that. I know you guys will agree.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Obviously, we agree with you. (Laughter.)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">PD: Just a little bit.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: The book is called Active Value Investing and Vitaliy, it is on the market now?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">VK: Yes, sir.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">BM: Thanks so much for spending the time with us!</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Soon after we purchased Jackson Hewitt (JTX), offices of one of their franchisees was raided by the U.S. Justice Department; the franchisee was accused of falsifying tax returns for thousands of taxpayers. JTX stock collapsed on that news. The risk was that it was a widespread practice and JTX management was complicit with the franchisee and that the brand may have been damaged and lawsuits would follow. We thought otherwise: The management had no incentives to resort to outright spend-time-in-jail type of fraud, they had a great business on their hands; it made no sense for them to do something that stupid.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Though that incident made headlines in the localities where it took place, national media was preoccupied with more important developments at the time (i.e. Paris Hilton going to jail) and thus the JTX’s brand was unscathed. We liked JTX’s management when we purchased the stock, but we were even more impressed with their response to this incident: they hired an ex-IRS commissioner to head an independent internal investigation and clearly communicated to investors about the investigation.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As we expected the IRS did not find anything, management settled the issue with them (basically paying the IRS $1.5 million to go away). Here is an opportunity. The “bad news” (which now was not really bad) drove the stock down to about 12-13 times earnings, but JTX has a handful of growth drivers that should bring earnings growth in mid to high teens for years to come as it only has a 4% market share of a very fragmented market. Management spends every penny of free cash flow to return to shareholders (our kind of management) through a 2.6% dividend yield and stock buyback.</p>
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